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into both of these spools and the all of

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the the optical lengths and the spool

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lengths have been very carefully

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transition or due to a transit of a

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pulse through one of the spools is the

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same as in the other spool but of course

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in the real physical world nothing can

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ever be exactly the same so we run this

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difference is in timing and for the the

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pulses to get through these two spools

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and you can measure it down to about a

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hundred femtoseconds so we get a very

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precise measurement of how long it takes

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the task will be to present only one of

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these spools to a meditator probably on

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some some fancy-looking little table

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here's the spool make light slow down

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whatever you need to do in order to have

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light slow down what they don't know

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don't tell them about to act as a

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control comparison so we're looking at

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differences in the speed of light and

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this is that we have extremely high

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of light takes only 20 micro seconds to

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femtosecond resolution we can tell the

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to be different the disadvantage of

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using optical fiber is that the glass

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to temperature so we have all kinds of

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this apparatus in the room all over the

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place to be able to tell if we get a

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result was it due to temperature it

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we can detect a temperature difference

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thousandth of a degree Fahrenheit which

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you can get pretty pretty easily if

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somebody walks into the room and happens

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to be closer to this one versus that one

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we can pick it up pretty quickly and

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this is actually inside a the equivalent

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still see a difference so it's very very

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sensitive so the this apparatus will not

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be in the vicinity of people doing the

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experiment we can't do that this will be

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experiment will be at a distance and

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I'll end there and thank you for your

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kind attention questions comments big

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experiments couple comments and one

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didn't know if you do the double slit

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experiment instead of the interferometer

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concentrate red or blue and that would

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take to one side or the other that's a

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good idea um also in the interferometer

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physiologic I haven't looked at heart

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rate on this that this is a created

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movie I mean the you know we're taking

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just okay Sam movie okay but still there

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infecting it well you could probably be

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permittivity of the permeability of

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space and or your your light medium

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this my job then is to present it to a

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bunch of theorists to excite them and

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figure out well now how do you explain

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that so what I'm good at is figuring out

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how to do this and to get the right set

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and setting to encourage people to

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actually get a result in the percent of

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an experiment steam

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been analyzed to see whether they're

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strictly random you mentioned they're

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randomly selected by computer I'm just

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wondering since operators can interact

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with re geez whether subjects it may be

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more complex mechanism not just

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presented some kind of interaction of

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subjects with that re G as well as a

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precognition yeah that's a good question

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studies that I've done involving

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pictures we've checked to see whether

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pleasant pictures come up more often

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than not pleasant pictures and basically

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of the pictures you really don't want to

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see there I mean they're very nasty

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pictures and once you see them they're

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in your head and you want to get them

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actually true for its true across all

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subjects pooled but I don't think it's

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true on some individuals because i have

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a few individuals who once they figure

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out that there are erotic targets they

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that sometimes you see a present them in

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effect in that study and sometimes you

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don't but I go back and look at it

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they're getting like they're just

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basically getting a porn download that's

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what they're getting so I think some

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people actually are able to influence a

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generator to get what they want but in

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general across all subjects dude they're

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not doing that Dean you generally

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produce mind-blowing results but these

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ones to me are just doubly mind-blowing

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the fact that you've been able to

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distinguish between a likely future in

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the actual future is very exciting and

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interferometer versus the double slit as

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interferometer interpretation and I

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thing works as far as I know that'll be

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the first really solid proof that we do

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have some sort of an observer effect and

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that there really is a quantum

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mechanical aspect to what we do and I

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haven't seen anything else that really

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shows that well my inspiration actually

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lab and in the pair lab a double stood

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apparatus actually worked but the the

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sister experiment was done by a skeptic

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from York University and his version of

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it did not work so the score so far is

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two to one basically your great

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experiments something curious about your

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curves that you show on those skin

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response it's on set they all start at

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onset of trauma this diverge this isn't

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conductance or the the pupil dilation

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the moment of the button press because

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change in physiology from the moment

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that you begin the trial but isn't it

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strange that the flow free flow before

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the onset sort of the same pattern you

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one yes that's strange I just I just

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complementing Dean similarly for the

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elegance and the multi degrees that you

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capture clearly your work in my mind

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points us toward the significance of

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Charlie tarts proposal 40 years ago that

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we need state-specific sciences because

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the difference in meditators and non

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meditators yes I think we have in order

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Russell than York and then we'll see how

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much time I'm very happy to see a

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success with showing that what a person

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ceases the actual future because that

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had been a contentious issue for many

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years a dozen years they ago I did that

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experiment with my daughter Elizabeth

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where we had one with six targets one

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had a fifty percent probability in the

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other had a tenth probability of coming

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up and we again showed that people

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do indeed see the actual target and not

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the highly probable target the presence

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of a big targets percentage why did not

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interfere with the ESP and for people

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who are using psychic ability to

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forecast changes in the stock market is

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very important that you see what's

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actually going to happen rather than

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what people think is going to happen

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right and it's actually thinking about

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what Courtney presented with La that you

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know that that makes me kind of nervous

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as well if that's an actual future as

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opposed to a probable future um you

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commented that you hoped to get some

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theoretical interest out of this and I'd

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like to mention that your interferometer

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experiment has opened I think the

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biggest theoretical can of worms we've

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ever seen in a sigh experiment because

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every study of the the double slit or

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double path interference effect has

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established that what breaks the